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Friday, April 19, 2013

The Dorner Principle for American Jihadists

I had been trying to figure out what it was about the reaction of the "authorities" in Boston that bothered me so much until I read Karl Denniger's piece via WRSA.

Read it, then let me add this:

When I watched the local and federal reaction to a couple of Jihadists killing and wounding fewer people than are gunned down an average night in Chicago, I grew more and more upset without really knowing why. I read the Denniger piece while visiting WRSA and knew what it was. We look like idiots prime for more of the same.

When the Jihadists realize how little effort they have to put into stopping all commerce in a city the size of Boston, around 7 million, they will do everything they can to replicate the actions and reactions as many times as they can.

Obama's fawning media added to the frustration. The story was that Obama heard of the second suspect being captured while watching television. We are supposed to get an image of cool-headed Obama enjoying a cold one while watching Dancing With The Stars (no, I don't have single clue when that show might actually be on air) and like every other person in America getting the news on a news break. That is insulting. It is propaganda. It doesn't take much imagination to think of how that news would have gone down if it was Bush getting the news on a news break. It would go something like this:

"This just shows a president out of touch with the average American." "It was as if this were happening in a different country rather than his own nation." "Detached." "Uncaring, out of touch."

But, with Obama, the media frames it as in touch with America, just a dad being a dad until the urgency of the moment thrusts him into the limelight to quell any fears and calm the nation. Sickening.

Worse, however, was the way in which the feds and local cops entered almost every home searching for one guy. Also, with all the show that was put on: the flashing lights; the SWAT vans; the people escorted from their homes...they were looking for one guy and they never did find him. No, some neighbor looked in his boat to find a bloody suspect hiding in there, probably without any ammunition (yes, I know they said they exchanged fire, I doubt it) dying from his wounds of twelve or so hours earlier, and he calls the cops.

My God.

What a bunch of Keystone Kops. How many violations of rights did they commit in the bumbling search for one guy? ONE GUY.

I heard earlier in the day that they were looking for a dangerous suspect, one who had shown that he had no regard for human life, was armed and dangerous. He was capable and willing to take human life and I wondered who they were talking about, the suspect or those tracking him down. Is there a difference?

If this is how we react to terrorism, to shut down an entire city, trap people in their homes unarmed while these buffoons wander around town, kicking in doors, threatening citizens with their military-style tactics, unable to find the perpetrator of a bombing, a robbery, a carjacking and a high-speed chase, why shouldn't we all be armed? Who better than us to defend ourselves and our homes?

They found him in a boat, shot the boat all to hell and apparently didn't hit the bleeding suspect because he was taken into custody alive.

What it tells the world of Jihadists and anyone else taking notes that America is ripe for terrorism, that terrorist tactics work quite well. That just getting a few guys dedicated to ANY cause is enough to throw the whole nation into hysterics.

With any real organization capable of hiding this guy out for a week they would have been able to kill commerce along the entire Eastern Seaboard for as long as they could keep him under wraps.

Perhaps these guys learned the lesson of Christopher Dorner and understood what they could accomplish from that fiasco.

64 comments:

  1. What Karl, and you TL, pointed out, reminded me of this observation:

    "...Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission. "

    from: US Totalitarianism Loses Major Battle As Judge Permanently Blocks NDAA's Military Detention Provision
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-totalitarianism-loses-major-battle-judge-permanently-blocks-ndaas-military-detention-provisi

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  2. Couldn't help but compare a community during the 1880's with 2013 Boston and come to one conclusion: today's communities are filled with sheep waiting the arrival of the sheepdog they've chained to his dog house. Totally incapable of caring for their own security, oblivious to the results of their actions.

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  3. Have to admit that as a nation we are being desensitized to the appearance of armored cars and black/cammo suited swat teams in our streets. The same weapons on the assault rifle list, are the same type [but actually real 'assault weapons] that the .gov wants to take from us are what the JBT's are carrying 'But that's OK...It's for the greater good.' Homes are being searched with no probable cause or warrant.But that's OK too....
    Officer Friendly is no longer there to 'Protect and Serve' but there to serve the state.

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    1. Just think, culture is as much a part of the rule of law as the Liberty it is intended to sanction and protect.

      So here we are to day in a grand spectacle of everything but outright declared marshal law, outright violation of the two most important ideas of law ever devised, Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus, presented no less vicariously for every soul to witness the rape of Liberty, through the media, which due to our culture for most Americans it would appear, carries as much legitimacy as a constitutional convention to create an an amendment, all because the cultural justification of the means justify the ends.

      Can't forget fear also.

      We are a nation it seems, where fear and instant gratification, rules across the spectrum of our lives and culture. It is no wonder why these state run police forces are able to act with impunity, no one has any idea things like Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus, let alone acts of Marshal law even exist.

      So, the very concept of constitutional culture has been brainwashed out of so many people, is frightening. The road to liberty is going to entail the struggle of teaching these folks not only that a right exists, but that Liberty is even something that is supreme and superior than any act of power by government.


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  4. And let us not forget the potential impression that could've been left as citizens lined up on both sides of the street and applauded while SWAT, LE's and military personnel exited their city.....as "Heroes"! After being on lockdown for hours, this acknowledgment to this current regime is sure to reinforce how easily the sheeple are willing to bow down and comply with a police state status.

    That thought alone is worrisome.

    Leauxryda

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    1. Well, what else would you expect from a bunch of Massholes who in all likelihood are card-carrying Obamazombies? The only thing these sheeple DIDN'T do was chant USA! USA! USA! while making the Obama 'O' with their upstretched hands!

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    2. I think some places may respond a bit differently to being forced into Martial law. I could be wrong though. Definitely nowhere in the NE, or West Coast would any opposition be uttered. I know if those little boys asked me for my papers I would ask them why? Am I under suspicion of being a Chechen National and Terrorist? If they said no, I would say you don't need to know and move on. I'm not under suspicion or arrest? Well I'm moving on.

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    3. Agreed. REAL Americans would have thrown the cops, DHS and TSA buffoons, and FBI idiots out on their ass, and caught the bombers themselves - complete with a public hanging in Copley Square conducted by civilians in their every-day street clothes. Televised to the world, of course.

      The mmsage would thus have been: we dont need JBTs, and we won't tollerate them - we have our own way of dealing with terrorists...and it works *permanently*. Don't Tread on Us!

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  5. I wonder how many "plain sight" arrests were made yesterday while the police were searching houses. Or notes made for future investigation. How many preppers were discovered to be "hoarding" food. The public didn't know the actual location of the suspect, only the location announced by police and the eager to publish media.

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  6. And so the NEXT DAY they introduce a new law banning reloading powder ,black powder, flash powder, fireworks and making your own powder. This will never end until we make it end.

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  7. I do not think their goal was to catch the suspect.

    Their goal was to flex the muscle of the state and show everyone exactly how powerful they had become. To push the boundaries back just a little and intimidate the growing insurrection.

    Remember, Obama is set to push through gun control legislation by decree here soon, and they brought out all their toys and manpower, not to catch a wounded kid, but to demonstrate to YOU how futile your resistance would be.

    I think it sort of failed in that regard, watching them bumble around inspired more disgust in me than fear, but I do believe that they were in the streets to terrorize you, the patriot.

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    1. I believe you are correct. I'm just an old 11B Infantryman. If those are the goons we are supposed to go up against, well...

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    2. If I catch your drift, Sanders, that's what I was thinking too, and I'm not even an old Infantryman. [Maybe I should say, "at least not yet."]

      CA has a great line---"Fear is a liar."

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  8. Again outstanding, spot on, people were lining up to give up their right to be secure in their homes and property to an armed Government force. Wow the Sheeple are everywhere, that is exactly how Hitler did it. Burn down Parliament and all will stand aside give up their rights, like they would not have known if someone was in their home with them. I would have said thank you Officer but my home is secure, no need for your assistance here, and no you may not search my home for someone that I know is not here. I say that as I am myself under assault by the Van Wert County Sheriff's Department who is after all my guns because, I took them to court for denying my CCL illegally now they are lying to the court saying I was committed to a mental institution, completely untrue, however, my lawyer says if they get away with this it will give them the ability to disarm every veteran who has seen a psychologist after combat. My case is going to set the President as I am the First in the State of Ohio according to Judge Steele of the Van Wert Court of Common Pleas, to appeal a CCL denial. This case need national attention because the outcome will determine if a veteran seeing a psychologist of his own free will constitutes being committed to a mental institution as the Sheriff and Prosecutor are now saying, And now this is no longer about my ability to carry a concealed weapon which I do qualify for but to own a weapon because even though I am the Plaintiff they have turned the tables and they the Sheriff's Dept have declared me under disability to own firearms at all let alone have a CCL. Al I wanted was my legal right to carry concealed instead of open as I could be charged with inciting panic if someone freaks out when I was denied I appealed now they are trying to take everything from me. My Lawyer says if they can do this to me they will be able to disarm any veteran. Any Veteran. If I lose we all lose. James Redmon VS the Van Wert County Sheriff, Van Wert court of Common Pleas, case #CV 13-03-062. If I lose every veteran in Ohio is in Danger. >JIM

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  9. According to this "Patriot"(http://muccings.blogspot.com), he has no problem with the police state lockdown of Boston, on the 237th anniversary of Lexington and Concord.

    Post a Comment On:Muccings
    "The Asymmetrical Warfare of Islam…"
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    cavmedic68w said...
    Also, it's damn frustrating, and disturbing, that so many in the
    community(who should know better) have jumped on the bandwagon of infotainment drama this has been since the beginning.
    While being completely oblivious to the military/federal/police lockdown of Boston, by the blatant violation of posse comitatus, fourth amendment, Bill of Rights, God given birthright to freedom, privacy, and defense of self, family
    and friends; by any means necessary.
    7:59 PM
    Gerardo Moochie said...
    And WITHOUT the extraordinary presence and action of ALL law enforcement, this Islamic terrorist might have never been caught.

    If I lived anywhere NEAR that neighborhood I would be very thankful and appreciative of any type of law enforcement presence, military or otherwise.

    One thing people like yourself ignore or are otherwise ignorant of: Islam has declared war on the infidel. I don't know if you are an infidel or not. I am. And I appreciate the need for the military to join in defense of the infidel in this country when we are attacked by any Muslim whose objective and actions are to terrorize and weaken us

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  10. April 14, 1775 - Massachusetts Governor Gage is secretly ordered by the British to enforce the Coercive Acts and suppress "open rebellion" among colonists by using all necessary force.

    April 18, 1775 - General Gage orders 700 British soldiers to Concord to destroy the colonists' weapons depot.

    That night, Paul Revere and William Dawes are sent from Boston to warn colonists. Revere reaches Lexington about midnight and warns Sam Adams and John Hancock who are hiding out there.

    At dawn on April 19 about 70 armed Massachusetts militiamen stand face to face on Lexington Green with the British advance guard. An unordered 'shot heard around the world' begins the American Revolution. A volley of British muskets followed by a charge with bayonets leaves eight Americans dead and ten wounded. The British regroup and head for the depot in Concord, destroying the colonists' weapons and supplies. At the North Bridge in Concord, a British platoon is attacked by militiamen, with 14 casualties.

    British forces then begin a long retreat from Lexington back to Boston and are harassed and shot at all along the way by farmers and rebels and suffer over 250 casualties. News of the events at Lexington and Concord spreads like wildfire throughout the Colonies.

    Apr 15-19 2013 City hides in fear as from 19 year old.
    Do I need to say more?

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  11. A few of thoughts on this:

    1. Since when is marching two abreast down the street "searching" for a suspect? God help them if they were to enter the suspect's neighborhood through a series of obvious "clues," only to encounter a VBIED parked along the route of march?

    2. If a number of events were to take place over the space of a few weeks, the police could not maintain this operational tempo. One department I know of left some of their people on duty for nineteen hours during an earthquake response with no food, water, or way to use the bathroom unless they left their posts and went into local businesses.

    3. After one or two of these incidents per week, times three weeks, their overtime budgets are going to be shot to hell. How would they pay for their response? Who would do the regular police work, the demand for which would not stop? Injury traffic accidents, domestic assaults, non-terrorist murders, looting because the looters know the cops are otherwise occupied, etc?

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    1. The manner in which these JBT's marched through Masshole-land was reminiscent of Maj. Gen. Jurgen Stroop's boys entering the Warsaw Ghetto right before they walked smack into the Jewish resistance buzzsaw...

      I couldn't help but picture THAT.

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    2. I notice the MRAPs are labeled "Police/Rescue."
      I understand that the police will need rescuing when they begin large scale attempts to confiscate weapons, but I don't understand why the grammatically incorrect "/" between the words "Police" and "Rescue."

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  12. Observations - this didn't become an all consuming circus UNTIL a cop was shot. A police"honor escort" for the car in which another cop was shot? What the hell is wrong with these people?

    Didja notice how in the media he went from being an alleged suspect to all but convicted perpetrator?

    From the media coverage I was reminded of the takedown scene from Fahrenheit 451 (the book) complete with breathless media coverage as entertainment.

    And the guys with khakis/blue jackets/caps with curious insignia/backpacks - all dressed alike? Now claimed that they were "National Guard" on normal "protective duty" - no uniform, and of course there was no notice of them springing into action as the b0mbs went off.

    As Remus notes, stay away from crowds.

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  13. I listened on radio, yes open to all who could find there freq. I understand what a chaotic scene made even more unmanageable by all the three letter agency's competing for air time and thought the same thing. How does a 19 year old kid with no training E and E from 5,000 or so "operators"? Half a billion dollars lost on untrained, deranged, miss-guided kids. This is the beginning of these low tech attacks in my opinion.As proven time and time again when seconds count the "authority's" are minutes away. I feel awe- full for those who lost there lives to these madmen and have re committed myself to training my family on what to do if caught up in these situations.We cant train for it all but sitting around waiting for "military style" police operations isn't the answer,the more they show us it the more we get used to it. If we don't take responsibility for the safety of our loved ones we give them the excuse to take our freedom.I Live 5 miles from there, I thought of what I would do if I suddenly saw Fire teams wandering my neighborhood. Who was more dangerous yesterday? A scared 19 year old shot down terrorist or a mob of fully armed oath breakers saying the laws of our country and the Constitution don't apply to them.Kicking in doors,ordering citizens to leave there homes while they searched inside for suspects? Fire discipline was non existent and they turned a residential neighborhood into a free fire zone.At end of mission yesterday the radio chatter went down the "great job" and "who ahs" road for quite some time.Even the Mayor transmitted "great job" reinforcing to all the officers on scene that there tactics were sound and commendable.I stared at the handset wondering what would have happened with a trained and determined enemy. Be safe and take care of you and yours........when it comes down to it, the government can't.

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  14. Key phrase... "military STYLE" tactics.

    Remember this.

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  15. No doubt they are under specific orders to kill him. He knows too much . . .

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  16. By the way, April 20, 2013, is now officially “celebrate slavery” day in Boston.
    Hey Wolf, you pandering whore quisling of state propaganda, I can still see the Humvee in the background.
    The front bumper is still showing.
    Out of sight, out of mind.
    Fail!

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  17. Great piece.
    I'm a long time reader, first time to comment. Had a thought and was wondering the possibility of the use of drone(s) in the Gestapo's search. Also, slightly concerning, was the three teams that had a helo insertion at the front door of the dorms where the "suspect" went to college. Let alone the APCs and the mix-matching of cammies from ACU to MARPAT to Multicam... Another concern was the MPs checking IDs of everyone they saw on the streets during the "lockdown" in the city. The sentries with full SF style battle rattle was nice too (NVGs, gas masks, dump mag pouches, etc)as well as their incredible marksmanship. For a couple days, I was able to witness, vicariously, the goal of the regime: Para-military Police State. And I'm disgusted at it, like many fellow commenters. I'm left to wonder what kind of Constitution-trampling bill(s) will try to be shoved down our throats now. Like someone said above, banning any flammable powder would be the start. Assault bans wouldn't matter if all the ammo is illegal. I'm sure though, that at least they'll try to "limit stored quantity", making all those ten round mags useless. "At least we the Gov LET you have one stored and locked mag with ammo (10 rounds as per legal limit) stored and locked separately in our own secure facility". Things like this is what the sheep that had just been raped of their rights in the streets celebrating are jeering for...
    -EsoterIIIc

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  18. As time goes on, more insights and lessons will be learned from this incident. For me (at the present) is that:
    1. a thing is what 'they' say it is specifically, was this a 'police action' vs. a military action,
    2. the National Guard (brought in by the governer) is really an arm (if not quite up to regular military standards) of the military,
    3. people (most) will go what they are told (this is truly frightening) regardless of their rights,
    4. non-stop television is not 'news' but entainment and
    5. it appears that this incident only opens the door for more high exposure attacks by small components (no much to lose by the perps with a high value outcome),
    6. 9000 police presence? and from what I could tell, pretty well organized (now, I do not know?) put together quickly; this appears to have ramifications for an aysemiterical (sp?) war.
    7. it appears that 'they' are treating this US citizen as a 'combatent' and by default holding him outside any form of legal rights afforded to 'common citizens' (who makes these decissions?).
    Just some observations.

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  19. "Things like this is what the sheep that had just been raped of their rights in the streets celebrating are jeering for..."

    Right. THAT'S the problem and THAT'S what's not gonna change for a good long while. Persuasion won't do it and force of arms won't do it. That leaves only one logical choice, no matter how crazy it sounds---live with it and build a world where they don't matter.

    The thing is, that requires living without what they have to offer, and most so-called "freedom lovers" aren't ready for that yet. When they are, it'll get done.

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  20. One thing to remember ...

    For all of our discussion of how what they did wasn't lawful, constitutional, etc. ...

    THEY are in control of the court system. Not us.

    What their black-robed collaborators say is legal, is legal. Any actions we would take in response to an armed invasion in our own towns would be considered illegal.

    I should suppose that individuals reading this blog are aware that we are well past what is or isn't lawful and probably even our discussions of this could be considered borderline criminal.

    We're not patriots right now. We're treasonous scum. History won't call us patriots unless we win.

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    1. So,

      LETS WIN!

      Earnest, screw em.
      The truth is they are far more afraid of us than we are of them. We have the cloak of legitimacy, it is our birthright, a natural born primal thing that exists because we are men. Born into Liberty.
      The rule of law is our ally.
      The social contract, civility of our republic exists, because of American's like TL, you and I.

      It is not the traitors who rule the roost of government who are responsible for the fabric of our society, it is us. This entire Republic, everything about it exists because every day hard working honest law abiding citizens are all that holds it together. It is a force like no other on this earth or through history.

      Give yourself credit. Pat yourself on the back, shake your friends hand, give your co-workers the thumbs up. Think of our founders, they believed in something, and I'll bet my right arm, if we all here didn't, this Republic would not exist.

      It is time to give the elites the fucking bird.
      Up your arses!

      See, there is a funny little secret about the ruling class and their oligarchy, something they whisper in guarded secret, something that haunts their dreams and is motive operendi behind their corruption, lies, treason and treachery.

      It is time we all figure out we got em right where we want em.

      They are afraid of something. Deep down in their guts.
      These tyrants crooks liars and thieves, lording their ways of corruption, and moral turpitude against us. Waging what is nothing short of war upon our lives and Liberty.

      They are afraid of us having arms, because, they are afraid of what we could do to them, for what they are doing to us.

      They should be afraid.
      I want them to be afraid.
      Very afraid.
      I want them to have to seek the same protections the Constitution and bill of rights affords us.
      It is as the great TL Davis put it so succinctly:

      "It is not ours to restore the power of the Constitution. It is ours to show them the wrath of America without the protections the Constitution offers them."

      "Let them restore it to find refuge from us."

      And I think too, all this is boils down to two things, naked tyranny in our time, and the birth of restoration of Liberty in the hearts of men, everything else, is a side show to this reality.

      Lets Win!

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    2. As Mike said the other day at the Concord Green ,,. If you're going to be labeled a criminal by the tyrants, aspire to be the best you can be :-)

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  21. I believe this is where Mr. Franklin comes in.......

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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  22. when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.

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